Curse

Quaker · Oct 21, 2007, 03:45 PM // 15:45

EDIT: Major update. As a result, some of the following thread might not seem to apply.

Profession: A/Mo
Name: Malika's Muction
Type: PvE
Category: Damage
Attributes: Dagger Mastery - 16 (superior rune + mask)
Critical Strikes - 13 (minor Rune)
Healing Prayers - 3 (left over points)
Armor: Survivor Insignias on head, hands, & feet - Nightstalker's on chest & legs. Superior Dagger on head (+ extra mask with minor and/or major), Major Vigor (or Superior), minor Critical Strikes, 1 Attunement, 1 Vitae

Skills Bar:

[skill]Disrupting Stab[/skill][wiki]Sneak Attack[/wiki][skill]Wild Strike[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill][skill]Flashing Blades[/skill][skill]Death's Charge[/skill][skill]Healing Breeze[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

Skills Explanation:

1. Disrupting Stab - Primarily used as a simple interrupt for when you enemy is about to use a healing skill or wild blow or whatever. It can also be used as a lead attack should Sneak Attack be blocked or otherwise fail to hit.

2. Sneak Attack - is an EoN skill based on the Vanguard Title Track - it causes blindness for 5 seconds and has a 5 second recharge. It's the main lead attack. Before EoN this was [wiki]Jagged Strike[/wiki]

3. Wild Strike - self explanatory.

4. Death Blossom - decent AoE damage, low energy cost, quick recharge.

5. Flashing Blades - it's a stance, therefore zero cast time and it doesn't disrupt the attack chain. It has a 30-sec recharge, but lasts 32/30/28 seconds (with DM at 16/15/14). Combined with Sneak Attack's blinding, it makes you very hard to hit. (Note that you need to constantly be attacking for this to work.)

6. Optional slot, some other choices - [wiki]Critical Agility[/wiki] or [wiki]Ebon Battle Standard of Courage[/wiki] or [wiki]Ebon Battle Standard of Honor[/wiki]

7. 2nd optional slot - substitute your favorite self heal or some other Assassin skill you wish to try out.

8. Rez Slot - other choices could be [wiki]Resurrection Chant[/wiki] or [wiki]Resurrection Signet[/wiki] or [wiki]Sunspear Rebirth Signet[/wiki]

Summary:

- This build is mostly aimed toward the casual or new Assassin. It's main mechanic is to strike with Sneak Attack to blind the foe and use Flashing Blades for defense. The attack chain completes in about the same time as Sneak Attack recharges, so it can be used continously.
- This build was mostly used in a party including a Minion Master, which helps to keep some of the attacks off the Assassin and makes the Ebon Battle Standards of some use.
- Because there are 2 'optional' slots which are not part of the basic mechanic, there is lots of room for experimentation.
- I mostly use Lou's Karambits with this build (20/20, 15% in stance, h+30), but any decent set of daggers will do.
- This build purposely uses low energy skills so that you don't need to divert resources into energy management. Under normal circumstances, this build does not have energy problems. This build may not deal as much damage as could be possible, but that is outweighed by the survivability and low energy requirements.
- It is not the purpose of this build to be a "monk" in any sense. The monk secondary is just for the "hard" rez and some self heal.
- It's not intended to be "the bestest build ever". Contrary to the opinions expressed later in this thread, this build does work and, more importantly, I have fun with it.
- I am not asking for suggestions or comments about this build, just simply posting it. However. if you actually try it, or have some useful tweaks to suggest, I welcome your input. If you just wish to make remarks about how some "leet" build or skill set is better, you're missing the point.

Credit: This build is my own creation - any similarity to other builds would be coincidental.

moko · Oct 21, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40

no deepwound, no ias, two lead attacks (??) bad elite.

-> critical agility & critical defenses >>> flashing blades+deaths charge+breeze.

deepwound somewhere, moebius as elite, sneak attack is a fine lead attack.

Dean Harper · Oct 21, 2007, 06:06 PM // 18:06

I use this:

(Its a wiki build, but, hey, it works)

[skill]Golden Phoenix Strike[/skill][skill]Critical Strike[/skill][skill]Moebius Strike[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill][skill]Critical Defenses[/skill][skill]Critical Agility[/skill][skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill][skill]Way of Perfection[/skill]

Get some +20% daggers of enchanting and you have a sweet farming and general pve build.

You can also add in Deaths Charge instead of WoP, but it might make survivability a little lower...

Cheers,
-Dean

Bowstring Badass · Oct 21, 2007, 09:41 PM // 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mokone

no deepwound, no ias, two lead attacks (??) bad elite.

-> critical agility & critical defenses >>> flashing blades+deaths charge+breeze.

deepwound somewhere, moebius as elite, sneak attack is a fine lead attack.

And you win this thread Mokone.

Marverick · Oct 21, 2007, 10:16 PM // 22:16

IAS isn't exactly necessary for Moebius > DB in PvE but since CA gives an armor boost in addition to an IAS it is pretty much a staple in 'Sin PvE builds.

Lead > Offhand > Dual kinda sucks for Moebius builds, takes too much time to get to the dual. Use Lead > Exhausting Assault, in your case Sneak Attack > Exhausting Assault > Moebius Strike > etc.

Bowstring Badass · Oct 21, 2007, 10:18 PM // 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marverick

IAS isn't exactly necessary for Moebius > DB in PvE but since CA gives an armor boost in addition to an IAS it is pretty much a staple in 'Sin PvE builds.

Lead > Offhand > Dual kinda sucks for Moebius builds, takes too much time to get to the dual. Use Lead > Exhausting Assault, in your case Sneak Attack > Exhausting Assault > Moebius Strike > etc.

Or he could use [skill]Golden Phoenix Strike[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill][skill]Moebius Strike[/skill].

Edit: @Quacker- Just noticed but why the hell are you using a superior rune on a sin? Swap that out for a minor.

Coloneh · Oct 21, 2007, 10:58 PM // 22:58

super rune = bad
healing prayers = bad
two leads = bad
flashing blades = kinda bad
mobius=good
critical agility= good

Coloneh · Oct 22, 2007, 12:08 AM // 00:08

if you are going to post a build here take people's advice. we know what were talking about. you dont.

deepwound is quite useful, though not necessary for every build

IAS(increased attack speed) is pretty much necessary in all melee builds

you have 2 lead attacks, thats stupid. assasin attack operate on a chain system.

"critical agility & critical defenses >>> flashing blades+deaths charge+breeze" was referring to critical agility and defenses being much better than your skills (this > means greater than)

assassins already have extreably low survivability compared to other classes. it is a question with every class weither the +2 attributes out-weighs the -75hp, but for sins its not really a question. you cannot afford to lose health.

street peddler · Oct 22, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

you wouldnt use a superior on a sin so you could conserve health, because, you know, assassins are fragile little guys.

Longasc · Oct 22, 2007, 10:11 AM // 10:11

1. Golden Fox Strike or Sneak Attack (Blindness rocks)
2. Wild Strike (together with GFS you can destroy stances easily)
3. Death Blossom (area damage)
4. Moebius Strike (E) or Flashing Blades (E)
5. Critical Strike or Horns of the Ox
6. Impale (Deep Wound)
7. Critical Agility (super useful, armor + 33% IAS)
8. whatever / Rez Signet, Critical Defense or even Blinding Powder.

The crap with Assassins in PvE is just that there is nothing to assassinate, and for most "hard" boss mobs Broad Head Arrow is much more useful.

If you have no better ways to spread disease, Jagged Strike + Signet of Infection might be worth a try, but did not test it myself yet.

BlackSephir · Oct 22, 2007, 10:30 AM // 10:30

I use something like that.
1. Golden Fox/Sneak Attack.
2. Wild Strike.
3. Critical Strike
4. Moebius
5. Death Blossom
6. Crit Agility
7. Crit Defenses
9. "Save yourself!"

Stormlord Alex · Oct 22, 2007, 10:35 AM // 10:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaker

Flashing Blades is a very good elite.

Wow.
Do you like Word of Healing and Avatar of Balthazar as well?

Quote:

Think outside the box.

There's a fine line between innovation and utter crap. A 'sin with Flashing Blades a 3-spec Healing Breeze, and with a sup rune to boot, is bad.

Everyone here is giving constructive criticism, take it and be a better 'sin if you want... if not, don't crap all over everyone.

Tab · Oct 22, 2007, 10:37 AM // 10:37

Moral of the story?
If you run Flashing Blades, you're bad, so l2p.

John Panda · Oct 22, 2007, 11:56 AM // 11:56

[skill]Disrupting Stab[/skill]
[skill]Exhausting Assault[/skill]
[skill]Moebius Strike[/skill]
[skill]Death Blossom[/skill]
[skill]Critical Agility[/skill]
[skill]Critical Defenses[/skill]
[skill]Death's Retreat[/skill]
[skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

That's What i use.

Quaker · Oct 22, 2007, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Panda

[skill]Disrupting Stab[/skill][skill]Exhausting Assault[/skill][skill]Moebius Strike[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill][skill]Critical Agility[/skill][skill]Critical Defenses[/skill][skill]Death's Retreat[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

That's What i use.

The problem with Exhausting Assault is that it has to follow a lead attack. You may not have the time (or energy) to do both. I also wonder why, since you have no skills from another class, don't you use monk as a secondary and bring some other rez?

Mist Walker Skarloc · Oct 22, 2007, 05:53 PM // 17:53

To be honest, it's true what most people are saying - Moebius Strike is better than Flashing Blades. As a PvE assassin, you're trying to get as much DPS as possible, right? You'll find that Moebius Strike+Death Blossom is the highest DPS you'll get (other than Moebius Strike+Death Blossom with a Conjure or other damage buff). If not, tell me what's better so I can use it! :P

On equipment, I'd say that a Superior rune is fine in PvE, unless you're a tank. But I'd ditch Lou's Korambits. A lot of people argue that Sundering is not the best mod for any weapon (other than Axes, for spiking in PvP). I agree, especially with daggers. Vampiric or Zealous are much better. Which one is upto you, I personally prefer Zealous.

Hope I sounded more like I was helping than like I was saying "your build and daggers suck". Neither suck, but there are better options.

Edit - Just saw your last post, yeah, you're right. I'd use Golden Phoenix Strike->Death Blossom->Moebius Strike->Death Blossom over Lead->Exhausting Assault->Moebius Strike->Death Blossom. Same amount of attacks in

Quaker · Oct 22, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mist Walker Skarloc

As a PvE assassin, you're trying to get as much DPS as possible, right?

Not necessarily. DPS needs to weighed against survivability. energy usage, etc.. There is no hurry - no time limit. DPS is more of a PvP thing I think.

Quote:

A lot of people argue that Sundering is not the best mod for any weapon.

I know, I've been involved in some of those arguments, and don't wish to repeat them. Near as I can tell, except for particular instances, it doesn't really matter which you use.

Quote:

Hope I sounded more like I was helping than like I was saying "your build and daggers suck". Neither suck, but there are better options.

You did, and I appreciate that, and thank you.

Quote:

Edit - Just saw your last post, yeah, you're right. I'd use Golden Phoenix Strike->Death Blossom->Moebius Strike->Death Blossom over Lead->Exhausting Assault->Moebius Strike->Death Blossom. Same amount of attacks in

Well, I wasn't concerned about the number of attacks. Just that, if you wanted to use an Interrupt, it's better to use something like Disrupting Stab that's available 'instantly' (relatively).

zknifeh · Oct 22, 2007, 07:54 PM // 19:54

incase you dont want to use dstab as a lead attack, why not use [skill]disrupting dagger[/skill] in that case if your target kites, you dont have to be as close to him

Coloneh · Oct 22, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

Quaker..... im sorry but you are obviously hopeless. every single thing you said in your last few posts was completely wrong,

Issac · Oct 22, 2007, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Idk about you ppl but I prefer using zealous in pvp and pve, I think it said that zealous is much better then that 1 pip of energy. Plus with critical agility in pve it owns.